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Of Dead Priests and Cartoons
- comment Riley
  
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  They keep this up and soon they'll piss off the wrong people. Let's see how long it takes for them to tick off the IRA. I'd put my money on them any day vs. al Qaeda.
- comment Shaun Kenney
  
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  IRA vs. al-Qaeda? I like it!
  
  It'll never happen (Provo and Real IRA members have been helping FARC, ETA, and HAMAS for years), but it'd make one heck of a movie!
- comment Megan
  
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  Yeah, it reminds me of my anabaptist forefathers who were brutally murdered for believing that people should be baptized upon repentence of their sins.
  
  Kinda reminds me of the murder of Stephen.
- comment James Atticus Bowden
  
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  Shaun, it has a lot to do with Muslims and Christians. Christendom has had a Renaissance, Reformation and Enlightenment. In the US, we have had 3 Great Awakenings that served as syncretic adaptations of religion and science/social science. Islam has had none of this.
  
  Martin Luther would have been burned at the stake, if he were caught, for drawing pictures of the Pope playing a musical horn from his butt - then. Tdoay, Catholics would cluck at such a cartoon and raise an eyebrow.
  
  Islam doesn't have any concept of religious freedom. They are 800 years behind the West.
  
  The Romans were only 300 years behind the Greeks, when the Greeks sniffed that they were barbarians - and the Romans conquered them.
  
  The Goths, Visigoths, Alimanni(sp) etc were only 600 years behind the Romans as barbarians when they conquered Rome.
- comment Megan
  
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  Yeah, what he said.
  
  And I believe that the murder of my protestant forefathers was "holy" Roman Catholic Church policy.....
- comment Shaun Kenney
  
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  Interesting point about the Great Awakenings... Europe has never had one apart from the "Catholic Restoration" during the 1840's.
  
  Religious toleration is indeed the centerpiece. The Christian West understands what it means and practices it. Of course, it's always fun to explain this to our secular counterparts and watch their eyes fall out of their heads... as if Christian thought could *ever* be tolerant!
- comment Shaun Kenney
  
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  And I believe that the murder of my protestant forefathers was "holy" Roman Catholic Church policy...
  
  Would that be any different than boatloads of Virginians coming across the Potomac to kill Catholics in Maryland?
  
  Or NINA laws?
  
  Or the Know Nothing Party?
  
  Or Freemasonry today?
  
  Gotta think it through, republitarian. No one organization has a monopoly on living what Christ taught, though there are many examples on both sides.
- comment Megan
  
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  I guess you just proved that NO church is preserved from error. I'm glad that you have conceded that the Catholic church does not have a strangle hold on truth.
  
  I'm glad you have come to that conclusion on you own...
  
  You're the MAN.
- comment Shaun Kenney
  
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  Ah, but you're committing the logical fallacy of hasty generalization my friend.
  
  Actions can be fallible.
  
  Specific teachings are not (unless you'd like to proffer the argument that Jesus was not God... I leave that to your conscience).
  
  The argument you are making would seem to suggenst that the Bible is not God's Word at all, since people do despicable things in it's name.
  
  I know that's not what you're suggesting, but the ordering of your logic could lead one to that conclusion... don't assume too much!!!
- comment Megan
  
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  Oh no, the interpretation is faulty, not God's word. When one group thinks they have it all figured out, then use deadly force to make sure everyone believes that way, I would say they aren't interpreting things correctly.
  
  Would you say the Catholic church is error free as it relates to ALL their doctrine?
- comment Shaun Kenney
  
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  All? Of course not.
  
  But I do believe that some of the teachings of the Church that are not explicity within the Bible - the Trinity of God, Purgatory, and the Immaculate Conception - are infallible and will not change because they are true.
- comment Megan
  
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  Purgatory?
  
  What's that? Got some scripture reference?
  
  Oh...I know!!!
  
  That's the place that if your family pays enough money to the priest, they'll be nice and "pray" your way out.
  
  Sounds like a scam to me....
- comment Shaun Kenney
  
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  Are you asking me a question about purgatory?
  
  Or are you slamming a straw man?
- comment Megan
  
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  Please explain Purgatory, I always thought it was a way for the church to take money from suckers.


Tuesday, February 21, 2006 Of Dead Priests and Cartoons Bishop Rino Fisichella of Rome expressed his concern for Christian minorities in Muslim countries, most notably the disparity between Muslim violence towards Christians: In a reference to the murder on 5 February of an Italian priest, Andrea Santoro, in Turkey, allegedly killed by a Muslim radical, Fisichella also noted that, 'it is impossible to put on the same level a cartoon and the murder of a priest.' Good point. Where are all the Christian protests in the West? If a Christian had assassinated a Muslim imam, would the response of the radical Muslims be a simple shrug? This has little to do with Muslims vs. Christians. It has more to do with the concept of religious freedom, and how that freedom is being squelched in some parts of the globe. posted by Shaun Kenney \| 2/21/2006 11:06:00 AM \| 14 comments 14 Comments: At 4:49 PM, Riley said... They keep this up and soon they'll piss off the wrong people. Let's see how long it takes for them to tick off the IRA. I'd put my money on them any day vs. al Qaeda. At 4:55 PM, Shaun Kenney said... IRA vs. al-Qaeda? I like it! It'll never happen (Provo and Real IRA members have been helping FARC, ETA, and HAMAS for years), but it'd make one heck of a movie! At 7:38 PM, Megan said... Yeah, it reminds me of my anabaptist forefathers who were brutally murdered for believing that people should be baptized upon repentence of their sins. Kinda reminds me of the murder of Stephen. At 7:54 AM, James Atticus Bowden said... Shaun, it has a lot to do with Muslims and Christians. Christendom has had a Renaissance, Reformation and Enlightenment. In the US, we have had 3 Great Awakenings that served as syncretic adaptations of religion and science/social science. Islam has had none of this. Martin Luther would have been burned at the stake, if he were caught, for drawing pictures of the Pope playing a musical horn from his butt - then. Tdoay, Catholics would cluck at such a cartoon and raise an eyebrow. Islam doesn't have any concept of religious freedom. They are 800 years behind the West. The Romans were only 300 years behind the Greeks, when the Greeks sniffed that they were barbarians - and the Romans conquered them. The Goths, Visigoths, Alimanni(sp) etc were only 600 years behind the Romans as barbarians when they conquered Rome. At 8:13 AM, Megan said... Yeah, what he said. And I believe that the murder of my protestant forefathers was "holy" Roman Catholic Church policy..... At 9:34 AM, Shaun Kenney said... Interesting point about the Great Awakenings... Europe has never had one apart from the "Catholic Restoration" during the 1840's. Religious toleration is indeed the centerpiece. The Christian West understands what it means and practices it. Of course, it's always fun to explain this to our secular counterparts and watch their eyes fall out of their heads... as if Christian thought could ever be tolerant! At 9:36 AM, Shaun Kenney said... And I believe that the murder of my protestant forefathers was "holy" Roman Catholic Church policy... Would that be any different than boatloads of Virginians coming across the Potomac to kill Catholics in Maryland? Or NINA laws? Or the Know Nothing Party? Or Freemasonry today? Gotta think it through, republitarian. No one organization has a monopoly on living what Christ taught, though there are many examples on both sides. At 12:59 PM, Megan said... I guess you just proved that NO church is preserved from error. I'm glad that you have conceded that the Catholic church does not have a strangle hold on truth. I'm glad you have come to that conclusion on you own... You're the MAN. At 1:42 PM, Shaun Kenney said... Ah, but you're committing the logical fallacy of hasty generalization my friend. Actions can be fallible. Specific teachings are not (unless you'd like to proffer the argument that Jesus was not God... I leave that to your conscience). The argument you are making would seem to suggenst that the Bible is not God's Word at all, since people do despicable things in it's name. I know that's not what you're suggesting, but the ordering of your logic could lead one to that conclusion... don't assume too much!!! At 5:50 PM, Megan said... Oh no, the interpretation is faulty, not God's word. When one group thinks they have it all figured out, then use deadly force to make sure everyone believes that way, I would say they aren't interpreting things correctly. Would you say the Catholic church is error free as it relates to ALL their doctrine? At 10:03 AM, Shaun Kenney said... All? Of course not. But I do believe that some of the teachings of the Church that are not explicity within the Bible - the Trinity of God, Purgatory, and the Immaculate Conception - are infallible and will not change because they are true. At 11:37 AM, Megan said... Purgatory? What's that? Got some scripture reference? Oh...I know!!! That's the place that if your family pays enough money to the priest, they'll be nice and "pray" your way out. Sounds like a scam to me.... At 12:05 PM, Shaun Kenney said... Are you asking me a question about purgatory? Or are you slamming a straw man? At 4:41 PM, Megan said... Please explain Purgatory, I always thought it was a way for the church to take money from suckers. Post a Comment Home
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