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- This reads like a bizarro Virginia Centrist post. You know that Webb didn't have any intention of "jew-baiting." Come on.
- comment Riley
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- How *DO* we know that? Because Webb has proclaimed himself a Democrat, he couldn't POSSIBLY be using religion as a wedge in the primary against his opponent?
What are Webb and Miller, the D's fifth and sixth choices?
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- Actually, I did precisely that. You can view the results.
No where is the term "anti-Christ of outsourcing" mentioned anywhere...
Anywhere, that is, except from the mouth of James Webb.
That only serves to prove the point. Seems as if I'm not the only person - Democrat or Republican - who feels this way.
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- "No where is the term "anti-Christ of outsourcing" mentioned anywhere...
Anywhere, that is, except from the mouth of James Webb."
Wrong. The third link is saying the same thing.
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=175802293
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/5/11/224729/100/94#c94
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/4/13/195915/286/131#c131
- comment Dvt guy
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- What strategic purpose would be served by "jew-bating" another candidate?
To get all of the anti-semitic people to come out and vote?
- comment Jim Patrick
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- Guess we can never use the term "making a mountain out of a molehill", since we never did it, but that's what all this is. For starters, the term "antichrist" isn't related to Judaism or Jewishness at all. "Who is a liar, but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denies the Father, and the Son" - 1 John 2:22
The modern usage is "horrible person who I detest". Current candidates are of almost every religion, with Jews (if anything) under-represented. William Hung? Miller doesn't even make the list, labeled only in relation to outsourcing American jobs.
Comments on Vivian Paige's put the matter in context. Virginians elect folks of most any faith (gender, race) if they run and if they have a decent platform.
Miller's advocacy of outsourcing and worker visas should be the subject; his opposition to ballot paper-trails, and his role in having industry collect personal data on citizens and 'donate' it to the government. Webb's position on gender in light of Tailhook should be the subject, his opposition to (or flip-flopping on) affirmative action, or his refusal to impliment Congressional mandates. These are the issues that effect Virginia.
Oh, and I object to the region-baiting that implies folks in the Valley, in Southside, and in the Southwest are stupid and prejudiced.
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- Please explain how the antichrist described in the Book of the Apocalypse/Book of Revelation is in any way identified as Jewish?
Frankly, this a lot of nonsense.
I'm a software engineer and anti-outsourcing activist who has, on more than one occassion, described Miller as the "anti-christ" in the context of his seemingly infinite capacity for lies and political manipulation. Miller has been the president and chief lobbyist for the pro-offshore outsourcing and pro-NIV worker replacement ITAA "tech" lobby.
I've been attacking Miller for more than 3 years and only recently became aware that he is Jewish. My response is "so what?" The term, "anti-christ" has cultural meaning distinct from the biblical origins. It has come to mean infinite evil and deception -- the hallmarks of Miller's success as a "business immigration" insider-lobbyist.
I think it's unfortunate that so many people are so ill-informed that they rush to accuse people of anti-semitism without getting their facts straight.
You can read more about Miller on my blog, The Modern Patriot
- comment Karen Duncan
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- The real jew baiters are the ones who pick up on a baseless charge and inflame a community by using it for political fun and profit, which is exactly what you are doing.
To accuse somebody of anti-semitism because they've made an impolitic comment is to trivialize the real thing and that is both dangerous and offensive to Jews.
Anti-semitism is much more than insulting a candidate who happens to be Jewish. I agree that Webb should not have used the term anti-Christ, but only because it's disrespectful to Christians. If he had called Miller the Darth Vader of labor would you guys still be attacking Webb as jew baiting?
Webb was simply trying to convey the fact that Miller was anathema to organized labor. And much of organized labor happens to be, and historically has been, Jewish. So, does that make Miller an anti-semite because he opposes them?
Probably not. Let's turn the nasty rhetoric and the pompous explorations of something you have no experience with down and concentrate on the real issues.
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- Why are Webb's supporters so keen to point out that Miller's faith? And when challenged, why do Webb supporters get so angry about it?
That's what mystifies me, and many others as well.
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- Shaun said: "Why are Webb's supporters so keen to point out that Miller's faith? And when challenged, why do Webb supporters get so angry about it?"
You're exaggerating,Shaun.
Look at all my postings on my blog, The Modern Patriot or at my many postings on Raising Kaine. My criticism of Miller is focused on his lies and insider-lobbyist history of supporting offshore outsourcing and "business visa" IT/white collar worker replacement programs.
If there are any bloggers who consistently post about "Miller's faith", please name them and point to specific examples.
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- Actually, NLS fell victim to a typical blogger problem: forgetting history. Miller's church-choir quip is a very old one, first used by Republicans in 1940 who were skittish about nominating ex-FDR Democrat Wendell Willkie for President.
If NLS was half as politically aware as he thinks he is, he would have known this. Instead, his ignorance led him into this morass.
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- Info Tech Guy,
Your comments may very well be perfectly legitimate.
What I and everyone else is taking issue with is Ben Tribbett's attack on Miller's faith.
I think we can all agree that calling Miller out on his faith is unacceptable, yes?
That is the only item I take exception with.
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- Actually, you've gone from accusing Webb of Jewbaiting Harris Miller, to accusing some Webb supporters of Jewbaiting Miller, to NLS is Jewbaiting Miller.
Pretty embarrassing when most of those you have accused are Jews.
Also it's amazing how the accusation itself diminished from Webb to Webb supporters to, oh, just one blogger, NLS.
Actually probably nobody was Jewbaiting, but Miller's campaign has thrashed around desparately trying to paint Webb as racist, anti-feminists, and when none of that stuck, as a Jewbaiter. Why don't they give up on those ridiculous attacks and stick to the issues?
Could it be because their candidate's stand on those issues just don't match the core values of the Democratic Party?
Likewise, Republicans should focus on why they oppose the Democrat and why they support Allen
Oh, what a novelty. A campaign based on actual issues not slander and attack. Unfortunately Miller and his supporters have already lowered the bar so much that that might not happen now.
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- Shaun said: "What I and everyone else is taking issue with is Ben Tribbett's attack on Miller's faith."
Please provide the URL and specific comments you find objectionable. I'll be better able to respond with the details.
However, I think that we can agree that what one blogger (Ben Tribbet) *may* have said about "Miller's faith" (your description) is quite distinct from your earlier accusation that a widespread anti-semitic, jew-baiting attack had been launched against Miller.
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- Info - Ben's post is here
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What are Webb and Miller, the D's fifth and sixth choices?
No where is the term "anti-Christ of outsourcing" mentioned anywhere...
Anywhere, that is, except from the mouth of James Webb.
That only serves to prove the point. Seems as if I'm not the only person - Democrat or Republican - who feels this way.
Anywhere, that is, except from the mouth of James Webb."
Wrong. The third link is saying the same thing.
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=175802293
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/5/11/224729/100/94#c94
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/4/13/195915/286/131#c131
To get all of the anti-semitic people to come out and vote?
The modern usage is "horrible person who I detest". Current candidates are of almost every religion, with Jews (if anything) under-represented. William Hung? Miller doesn't even make the list, labeled only in relation to outsourcing American jobs.
Comments on Vivian Paige's put the matter in context. Virginians elect folks of most any faith (gender, race) if they run and if they have a decent platform.
Miller's advocacy of outsourcing and worker visas should be the subject; his opposition to ballot paper-trails, and his role in having industry collect personal data on citizens and 'donate' it to the government. Webb's position on gender in light of Tailhook should be the subject, his opposition to (or flip-flopping on) affirmative action, or his refusal to impliment Congressional mandates. These are the issues that effect Virginia.
Oh, and I object to the region-baiting that implies folks in the Valley, in Southside, and in the Southwest are stupid and prejudiced.
Frankly, this a lot of nonsense.
I'm a software engineer and anti-outsourcing activist who has, on more than one occassion, described Miller as the "anti-christ" in the context of his seemingly infinite capacity for lies and political manipulation. Miller has been the president and chief lobbyist for the pro-offshore outsourcing and pro-NIV worker replacement ITAA "tech" lobby.
I've been attacking Miller for more than 3 years and only recently became aware that he is Jewish. My response is "so what?" The term, "anti-christ" has cultural meaning distinct from the biblical origins. It has come to mean infinite evil and deception -- the hallmarks of Miller's success as a "business immigration" insider-lobbyist.
I think it's unfortunate that so many people are so ill-informed that they rush to accuse people of anti-semitism without getting their facts straight.
You can read more about Miller on my blog, The Modern Patriot
To accuse somebody of anti-semitism because they've made an impolitic comment is to trivialize the real thing and that is both dangerous and offensive to Jews.
Anti-semitism is much more than insulting a candidate who happens to be Jewish. I agree that Webb should not have used the term anti-Christ, but only because it's disrespectful to Christians. If he had called Miller the Darth Vader of labor would you guys still be attacking Webb as jew baiting?
Webb was simply trying to convey the fact that Miller was anathema to organized labor. And much of organized labor happens to be, and historically has been, Jewish. So, does that make Miller an anti-semite because he opposes them?
Probably not. Let's turn the nasty rhetoric and the pompous explorations of something you have no experience with down and concentrate on the real issues.
That's what mystifies me, and many others as well.
You're exaggerating,Shaun.
Look at all my postings on my blog, The Modern Patriot or at my many postings on Raising Kaine. My criticism of Miller is focused on his lies and insider-lobbyist history of supporting offshore outsourcing and "business visa" IT/white collar worker replacement programs.
If there are any bloggers who consistently post about "Miller's faith", please name them and point to specific examples.
If NLS was half as politically aware as he thinks he is, he would have known this. Instead, his ignorance led him into this morass.
Your comments may very well be perfectly legitimate.
What I and everyone else is taking issue with is Ben Tribbett's attack on Miller's faith.
I think we can all agree that calling Miller out on his faith is unacceptable, yes?
That is the only item I take exception with.
Pretty embarrassing when most of those you have accused are Jews.
Also it's amazing how the accusation itself diminished from Webb to Webb supporters to, oh, just one blogger, NLS.
Actually probably nobody was Jewbaiting, but Miller's campaign has thrashed around desparately trying to paint Webb as racist, anti-feminists, and when none of that stuck, as a Jewbaiter. Why don't they give up on those ridiculous attacks and stick to the issues?
Could it be because their candidate's stand on those issues just don't match the core values of the Democratic Party?
Likewise, Republicans should focus on why they oppose the Democrat and why they support Allen
Oh, what a novelty. A campaign based on actual issues not slander and attack. Unfortunately Miller and his supporters have already lowered the bar so much that that might not happen now.
Please provide the URL and specific comments you find objectionable. I'll be better able to respond with the details.
However, I think that we can agree that what one blogger (Ben Tribbet) *may* have said about "Miller's faith" (your description) is quite distinct from your earlier accusation that a widespread anti-semitic, jew-baiting attack had been launched against Miller.
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