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James Atticus Bowden - body
- I am shocked. You admire this moral rebrobate? Martyrdom does anyone well. The younger the better lest, as Heraclitus said, we find out more on how "a man's character is his fate."
I'll grant the JFK understood the need for tax cuts. But, that is about it.
- comment D.J. McGuire
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- I'm with JAB.
On side note: if JFK thought so highly of Mr. Jefferson, it's more than enough justification for me to remain an Adams Federalist.
- comment D.J. McGuire
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- That should be "one side note," of course.
&)(&#)%Y*T&!
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- On a side note, one side note... I got it. :)
JFK was an admirer of Churchill (or so I thought).
Adams is an interesting choice... interestingly enough, wasn't it the Jeffersonian charge against Adams that he ran a whorehouse, and that Adams himself was a pimp in his youth? Yankee thrift....
Jefferson of course is charged with moral retrobation as well with his slaves.
I tend to set all of that aside in the end for better qualities: JFK stressed character over pragmatism, he was a staunch anti-Communist, he wasn't afraid to use military force, he understood the need for tax cuts, civil rights, etc.
Last of the classical liberals, in some sense.
Perhaps martyrdom does taint my opinion somewhat. As a youth, we were constantly reminded of the 20th, then 25th anniversary of the death of the great Jack Kennedy. Jefferson does come an awful close second (someone whose moral and fiscal degeneracy I also had to overcome).
- comment James Atticus Bowden
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- Let's talk Presidents.
George Washington - Father of the Counrty. The indispensable man.
Abraham Lincoln - despite his rushing to war and pushing Virginia and the Upper South into it and some dictatorship problems... he was ready to return to the Rule of Law ASAP and he, alone, had the will to match the brave people who fought to keep the Union.
Jefferson and Adams for two sides that didn't go to war after losing elections that steered the country to Nationhood.
Then it gets tough...
FDR for leadership, not his solutions.
Reagan for leadership and vision.
Truman for leadership and vision - likewise for Eisenhower.
Jackson and TR Roosevelt for defusing conflict by incorporating public pressure that could fracture - into the body of politics.
Monroe for vision. Madison for courage.
Jefferson Davis, oh, oops, U.S. Presidents...
I'm still thinking (used to have Wilson up there, but reconsidered), and Kennedy still doesn't come to mind.
- comment D.J. McGuire
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- Actually, it was the son, John Q. Adams, who was accused of being a pimp. Normally, I'd get all high and mighty about you getting the info wrong, but I think the wrong info came from me.
Oh, and if memory serves, DNA testing has shown the Sally Hemming accusation to be true.
As for JFK, I'm not surprised that he was so ridiculously eulogized. However, he completely blew the Cuba file, and according to author Richard Gid Powers, JFK actually scaled back the anti-Communism of the 1940s and 1950s.
And, contrary to popular belief, civil rights was actually politically popular in the 1960s. The Dems, who were NOT the party of civil rights in 1960, caught two breaks when Nixon refused to intervene in MLK's imprisonment (thus enabling Bobby to pull it off) and the 1964 Goldwater nomination.
There wasn't much difference between Kennedy and Nixon in 1960, but - and this should be a reminder to all not to forget history - what differences did exist indeed made JFK more favorable to RMN. Nixon proved that himself with the detente debacle.
And don't even get me started on what Nixon gave away in order to get the Beijing trip in 1972 (hint, it's a country whose name has seven letters and starts with a V).
- comment James Atticus Bowden
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- DJ: The DNA shows a Jefferson male, could have been his vigorous nephew, was the father to Sally's children. Didn't prove it was Thomas.
- comment James Atticus Bowden
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- DJ: The DNA shows a Jefferson male, could have been his vigorous nephew, was the father to Sally's children. Didn't prove it was Thomas.
- comment D.J. McGuire
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- JAB,
Thanks for the info.
- comment ....
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- JFK cheated on his wife... a no-no in my book.
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I'll grant the JFK understood the need for tax cuts. But, that is about it.
On side note: if JFK thought so highly of Mr. Jefferson, it's more than enough justification for me to remain an Adams Federalist.
&)(&#)%Y*T&!
JFK was an admirer of Churchill (or so I thought).
Adams is an interesting choice... interestingly enough, wasn't it the Jeffersonian charge against Adams that he ran a whorehouse, and that Adams himself was a pimp in his youth? Yankee thrift....
Jefferson of course is charged with moral retrobation as well with his slaves.
I tend to set all of that aside in the end for better qualities: JFK stressed character over pragmatism, he was a staunch anti-Communist, he wasn't afraid to use military force, he understood the need for tax cuts, civil rights, etc.
Last of the classical liberals, in some sense.
Perhaps martyrdom does taint my opinion somewhat. As a youth, we were constantly reminded of the 20th, then 25th anniversary of the death of the great Jack Kennedy. Jefferson does come an awful close second (someone whose moral and fiscal degeneracy I also had to overcome).
George Washington - Father of the Counrty. The indispensable man.
Abraham Lincoln - despite his rushing to war and pushing Virginia and the Upper South into it and some dictatorship problems... he was ready to return to the Rule of Law ASAP and he, alone, had the will to match the brave people who fought to keep the Union.
Jefferson and Adams for two sides that didn't go to war after losing elections that steered the country to Nationhood.
Then it gets tough...
FDR for leadership, not his solutions.
Reagan for leadership and vision.
Truman for leadership and vision - likewise for Eisenhower.
Jackson and TR Roosevelt for defusing conflict by incorporating public pressure that could fracture - into the body of politics.
Monroe for vision. Madison for courage.
Jefferson Davis, oh, oops, U.S. Presidents...
I'm still thinking (used to have Wilson up there, but reconsidered), and Kennedy still doesn't come to mind.
Oh, and if memory serves, DNA testing has shown the Sally Hemming accusation to be true.
As for JFK, I'm not surprised that he was so ridiculously eulogized. However, he completely blew the Cuba file, and according to author Richard Gid Powers, JFK actually scaled back the anti-Communism of the 1940s and 1950s.
And, contrary to popular belief, civil rights was actually politically popular in the 1960s. The Dems, who were NOT the party of civil rights in 1960, caught two breaks when Nixon refused to intervene in MLK's imprisonment (thus enabling Bobby to pull it off) and the 1964 Goldwater nomination.
There wasn't much difference between Kennedy and Nixon in 1960, but - and this should be a reminder to all not to forget history - what differences did exist indeed made JFK more favorable to RMN. Nixon proved that himself with the detente debacle.
And don't even get me started on what Nixon gave away in order to get the Beijing trip in 1972 (hint, it's a country whose name has seven letters and starts with a V).
Thanks for the info.
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