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- 16 huh? Do you believe everything that the Left of Center spy machine spits out?
Maybe you should take the time to email your fellow Conservatives, and you'd find out the truth.
Second of all. GGD derailed the 'Macacaing' of Virgil Goode, and have shifted the 'real attack' bloggers on the left who now have to defend Muslim Islamofascists, and try to explain away their threat to our Nation.
The history lesson that is best applied to 'our current' situation is that state wide candidates who soften their conservative principles and/or do not proudly campaign upon them have been doing what?
We adopt their language, play by their rules and we lose...
The principle is that Waldo took 'our' bi-partisan aggregator, and became an editor using the MSM Liberal model of what is deemed useful for the public to see.
Why are you not standing with us on principle, but instead hiding behind the skirt of Waldo's private property? Let it be his, and become a va lefty blogs... until he levels the playing field..
Don't you ever complain about the MSM? Well, this is our chance to do something about it in the VA Blogosphere...
I would hope you will consider this, and us, your fellow Conservatives.
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- Chris, you're new at blogging. Xmas buried Goode, not GGD. In fact, now that GGD is getting strung out over the holiday season, the Dems will have a second chance to beat Goode over the head.
All thanks to a poorly thought out schematic to play the game the Dems way.
That aggregator was never "ours" to begin with. Why trust in it if you viscerally hate Waldo Jaquith so much?
The problem here is that (a) the ODBA was lied to in order to (b) tear down Waldo Jaquith.
After repeated attempts to come clean, certain individuals have sidestepped that to argue that we should be rallying 'round the flag. What flag? Why should we?
I complain about the MSM constantly, and I think we're 100% right on the issue of Islamic terrorism. But to go out of our way, use a pseudonym, fake credentials as an attorney, and personally blast Waldo? And the response to concerns is "hey, trust us?"
You're creating a story I'm sure the MSM is looking into now. The story isn't going to be how a Democratic blogger was exposed -- it will be the all of the above, and it will not be pretty.
You guys messed this one up. In the future, the e-mails should come to the one's who have done this for years. It certainly shouldn't be vice versa, where the rest of the ODBA is screaming whiskey-tango-foxtrot!
- comment Spank That Donkey
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- A parody of Waldo and he is torn down? STD has not lied to the ODBA, (as I am not a member,nor GGD).
Now is the MSM going to talk about the principle of censorship that started this, or civility in blogging... Surely a parody or two hasn't destroyed civility.
However, when the Conservative bloggers go over to the other side, and join them in this civility vs. what this is actually all about.
Doesn't that make it all the more relevent? Editors twisting, and or hiding the truth from the public against us?
My point is made (with my post), this should be taken indoors...
Remember the title was 'Conservatives Should Stick Together'.....
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- Conservatives *didn't* stick together though Chris.
One walked way off the reservation, and the rest of us are being scolded for not following. All the while, we get our teeth kicked in and GGD folds up shop.
That's a tough, tough sell...
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- One small historical note - the Roman Empire fell and exists now only in remnants - a reminder that empire-building is a foolish waste. You can't live long standing on people's throats.
- comment Spank That Donkey
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- I've talked to the Dog, and we will get this straightened out.
The problem is that the Dog is really a 'pup' :-)
http://generalgrievousdog.blogspot.com/
He's back, and will hopefully soon show all of his posts, and everyone can see the time line of events, and it will make everything much clearer....
This started with foul language on SWAC Girls site... None of us took kindly to that, because SWAC Girl is a great Lady!
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- 1. If GGD is a 'pup', that's perfectly fine! Just fess up to being a pup and use the good attention to his benefit (and blog under his real name).
2. Lynn is a terrific lady! 810% agreed! :)
3. Just remember, be right then do right.
Whew. I finally feel like something is being concluded here.
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- One small historical note - the Roman Empire fell and exists now only in remnants - a reminder that empire-building is a foolish waste.
More importantly than empires are cultures. There's a great book entitled "Empire of Liberty" that talks about Jefferson's idea of empire and liberty. Great book from UVA press (read it while I was in Colorado).
- comment Dirk van Assendelft
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- One good thing that has come out of this GGD mess is that I found your blog. Thanks for taking the high road and taking a stance that makes sense.
I look forward to continued reading of your blog......
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- Much appreciated, Andrew. Look forward to seeing you around (and getting that blog of yours off the ground)!
- comment Spank That Donkey
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- Shaun:
Conclusion of course will revolve around a certain 'principle' that started this entire thing....
- comment Shaun Kenney
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- Sorry Chris, some folks abandoned principle the moment they lied about who they were, then demanded conformity.
A gentleman does not lie, cheat, or steal; nor does he associate himself with those who do.
Nobody is going to close ranks with a liar or a cheat. Next time, someone should have the common courtesy to discuss things with ODBA members rather than walk off the reservation and expect others to blindly follow. If they do, they certainly shouldn't come crawling to others to come to their rescue.
You guys completely misunderstand blogs and what they do. If someone had opened a line of communication just before they dropped off the deep end...
- comment Bwana
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- Shaun-complete your historical analogy and mention cannae, where the weak center strategy was born...and used to defeat the Romans
- comment Anne Taetzsch Fitzgerald
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- Shaun--with all due respect--you are making an assumption about who GGD really is just like you assumed that Maxfield is 16.
I can tell you unequivocally that both assumptions are false.
We conservative bloggers need to stick together.
- comment Charles
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- Shaun, we don't know who Dog was, nor do we know if all the information "found out" about Max is true.
And whether or not the fake pseudonym is a good idea or not (and I'd be happy to restrict ODBA to named individuals, but that hasn't been the policy up til now and even luminaries like Chad Dotson once hid his identity and lived in the cloak of anonymity), once you have made up a fake identity it seems little more than a trifle that your identity is NOT reality.
In other words, if you call yourself GDD, and you most certainly are NOT a dog, or related in any way to a general, it hardly seems to be worthy of complaint that the person who isn't a Dog is also not a lawyer. Certainly nobody was stupid enough to take an anonymous blogger's word on anything, and nobody would be so silly as to take professional legal advice from anybody who won't reveal their name, or anybody on the internet for that matter.
Personal attacks are never a good thing, although at least some of the attacks on Waldo were of the nature of attacking his actions, and his childish response to the complaints. Given his posts giving credence to anonymous 3rd-party reports of spousal abuse against a public figure, he seems in no position to get in a snit about complaints on his person.
- comment Spank That Donkey
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- Well said Charles:
Seriously if Maxfield had declared himself a chef...
Should we bloggers be in awe of his opinion of a Caesar Salad?
(you like them Roman analogies better it seems)
Politics needs a good dose of levity... helps thru the times of sorry and pain...
If Waldo can not take a couple tastefully done photo shop images.. poking fun at him...
How was that possibly uncivil... do we ban all political cartoonists next? That will not add to political discourse...
- comment Spank That Donkey
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- Shaun Says:
"Chris, you're new at blogging. Xmas buried Goode, not GGD. In fact, now that GGD is getting strung out over the holiday season,"
I guess you believe in Santa Claus too?
You old Guards are guarding the castle I see... GGD was agreable to a truce, there for awhile, until more of this popped up...
I don't control GGD anyhow, and GGD may be a 'pup' in blogging terms but I guess that makes you a dinosaur huh? :-)
You shouldn't get all bent out of shape just because we
#1 redirected the macacaing of Virgil, to now them explaining why they support extremist terrorists..
#2 Had Waldo rename his aggregator, so when john doe public comes on they have to ask themselves, "well what is Waldo's political bent"? (Liberal Democrat)
#3 Made a certain ODBA take a look at the the security of the Yahoo Group they were using, because Waldo let it out of the bag in his Comments bragging on what he was doing to us! (Bravo Waldo!)
You have already been emailed the screen shot of the guy you are defending mocking not only GGD supporters, but the entire ODBA.
- comment Triscula
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- Spanky said:
You shouldn't get all bent out of shape just because we
#1 redirected the macacaing of Virgil, to now them explaining why they support extremist terrorists..
#2 Had Waldo rename his aggregator, so when john doe public comes on they have to ask themselves, "well what is Waldo's political bent"? (Liberal Democrat)
#3 Made a certain ODBA take a look at the the security of the Yahoo Group they were using, because Waldo let it out of the bag in his Comments bragging on what he was doing to us! (Bravo Waldo!)
Spanky, I missed the part where you guys managed to make the case that the Democratic bloggers on the VPB "support extremist terrorists".
Frankly, all that came from this now obviously premeditated scam is that the scammers are now very isolated and are becoming more so every day, as they turn on and attack people in their own political party for not jumping on their sinking ship.
The only think this tiff 'exposed' was the jealousy and spite of a few bloggers who, lacking anything substantive or interesting to add to the debate, simply seek to destroy the forum itself.
- comment Spank That Donkey
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- Tris:
First of all, go ahead and start defending those that chop off our heads and fly planes into buildings.. how about Palestinian terrorists, they are more popular.
As for turning on members of our party I am afraid the host here turned on members of his party...
Without having the facts, he started his post off with buying a Lie from Liberal bloggers, in defense of another Liberal blogger...
Why? I laid out the parties and being put on a panel... I would hope he would rather be defending the principle of not having conservative views censored.
and btw Shaun, If you think that Christmas derailed the macaca of Goode, it's pretty obvious you believe in Santa Claus too.
Finally, You keenly discerned my description of Braveheart and how it related to the ODBA...
Take it to heart. If you think I am the only one thinking it....
19 Comments:
Maybe you should take the time to email your fellow Conservatives, and you'd find out the truth.
Second of all. GGD derailed the 'Macacaing' of Virgil Goode, and have shifted the 'real attack' bloggers on the left who now have to defend Muslim Islamofascists, and try to explain away their threat to our Nation.
The history lesson that is best applied to 'our current' situation is that state wide candidates who soften their conservative principles and/or do not proudly campaign upon them have been doing what?
We adopt their language, play by their rules and we lose...
The principle is that Waldo took 'our' bi-partisan aggregator, and became an editor using the MSM Liberal model of what is deemed useful for the public to see.
Why are you not standing with us on principle, but instead hiding behind the skirt of Waldo's private property? Let it be his, and become a va lefty blogs... until he levels the playing field..
Don't you ever complain about the MSM? Well, this is our chance to do something about it in the VA Blogosphere...
I would hope you will consider this, and us, your fellow Conservatives.
All thanks to a poorly thought out schematic to play the game the Dems way.
That aggregator was never "ours" to begin with. Why trust in it if you viscerally hate Waldo Jaquith so much?
The problem here is that (a) the ODBA was lied to in order to (b) tear down Waldo Jaquith.
After repeated attempts to come clean, certain individuals have sidestepped that to argue that we should be rallying 'round the flag. What flag? Why should we?
I complain about the MSM constantly, and I think we're 100% right on the issue of Islamic terrorism. But to go out of our way, use a pseudonym, fake credentials as an attorney, and personally blast Waldo? And the response to concerns is "hey, trust us?"
You're creating a story I'm sure the MSM is looking into now. The story isn't going to be how a Democratic blogger was exposed -- it will be the all of the above, and it will not be pretty.
You guys messed this one up. In the future, the e-mails should come to the one's who have done this for years. It certainly shouldn't be vice versa, where the rest of the ODBA is screaming whiskey-tango-foxtrot!
Now is the MSM going to talk about the principle of censorship that started this, or civility in blogging... Surely a parody or two hasn't destroyed civility.
However, when the Conservative bloggers go over to the other side, and join them in this civility vs. what this is actually all about.
Doesn't that make it all the more relevent? Editors twisting, and or hiding the truth from the public against us?
My point is made (with my post), this should be taken indoors...
Remember the title was 'Conservatives Should Stick Together'.....
One walked way off the reservation, and the rest of us are being scolded for not following. All the while, we get our teeth kicked in and GGD folds up shop.
That's a tough, tough sell...
The problem is that the Dog is really a 'pup' :-)
http://generalgrievousdog.blogspot.com/
He's back, and will hopefully soon show all of his posts, and everyone can see the time line of events, and it will make everything much clearer....
This started with foul language on SWAC Girls site... None of us took kindly to that, because SWAC Girl is a great Lady!
2. Lynn is a terrific lady! 810% agreed! :)
3. Just remember, be right then do right.
Whew. I finally feel like something is being concluded here.
More importantly than empires are cultures. There's a great book entitled "Empire of Liberty" that talks about Jefferson's idea of empire and liberty. Great book from UVA press (read it while I was in Colorado).
I look forward to continued reading of your blog......
Conclusion of course will revolve around a certain 'principle' that started this entire thing....
A gentleman does not lie, cheat, or steal; nor does he associate himself with those who do.
Nobody is going to close ranks with a liar or a cheat. Next time, someone should have the common courtesy to discuss things with ODBA members rather than walk off the reservation and expect others to blindly follow. If they do, they certainly shouldn't come crawling to others to come to their rescue.
You guys completely misunderstand blogs and what they do. If someone had opened a line of communication just before they dropped off the deep end...
I can tell you unequivocally that both assumptions are false.
We conservative bloggers need to stick together.
And whether or not the fake pseudonym is a good idea or not (and I'd be happy to restrict ODBA to named individuals, but that hasn't been the policy up til now and even luminaries like Chad Dotson once hid his identity and lived in the cloak of anonymity), once you have made up a fake identity it seems little more than a trifle that your identity is NOT reality.
In other words, if you call yourself GDD, and you most certainly are NOT a dog, or related in any way to a general, it hardly seems to be worthy of complaint that the person who isn't a Dog is also not a lawyer. Certainly nobody was stupid enough to take an anonymous blogger's word on anything, and nobody would be so silly as to take professional legal advice from anybody who won't reveal their name, or anybody on the internet for that matter.
Personal attacks are never a good thing, although at least some of the attacks on Waldo were of the nature of attacking his actions, and his childish response to the complaints. Given his posts giving credence to anonymous 3rd-party reports of spousal abuse against a public figure, he seems in no position to get in a snit about complaints on his person.
Seriously if Maxfield had declared himself a chef...
Should we bloggers be in awe of his opinion of a Caesar Salad?
(you like them Roman analogies better it seems)
Politics needs a good dose of levity... helps thru the times of sorry and pain...
If Waldo can not take a couple tastefully done photo shop images.. poking fun at him...
How was that possibly uncivil... do we ban all political cartoonists next? That will not add to political discourse...
"Chris, you're new at blogging. Xmas buried Goode, not GGD. In fact, now that GGD is getting strung out over the holiday season,"
I guess you believe in Santa Claus too?
You old Guards are guarding the castle I see... GGD was agreable to a truce, there for awhile, until more of this popped up...
I don't control GGD anyhow, and GGD may be a 'pup' in blogging terms but I guess that makes you a dinosaur huh? :-)
You shouldn't get all bent out of shape just because we
#1 redirected the macacaing of Virgil, to now them explaining why they support extremist terrorists..
#2 Had Waldo rename his aggregator, so when john doe public comes on they have to ask themselves, "well what is Waldo's political bent"? (Liberal Democrat)
#3 Made a certain ODBA take a look at the the security of the Yahoo Group they were using, because Waldo let it out of the bag in his Comments bragging on what he was doing to us! (Bravo Waldo!)
You have already been emailed the screen shot of the guy you are defending mocking not only GGD supporters, but the entire ODBA.
You shouldn't get all bent out of shape just because we
#1 redirected the macacaing of Virgil, to now them explaining why they support extremist terrorists..
#2 Had Waldo rename his aggregator, so when john doe public comes on they have to ask themselves, "well what is Waldo's political bent"? (Liberal Democrat)
#3 Made a certain ODBA take a look at the the security of the Yahoo Group they were using, because Waldo let it out of the bag in his Comments bragging on what he was doing to us! (Bravo Waldo!)
Spanky, I missed the part where you guys managed to make the case that the Democratic bloggers on the VPB "support extremist terrorists".
Frankly, all that came from this now obviously premeditated scam is that the scammers are now very isolated and are becoming more so every day, as they turn on and attack people in their own political party for not jumping on their sinking ship.
The only think this tiff 'exposed' was the jealousy and spite of a few bloggers who, lacking anything substantive or interesting to add to the debate, simply seek to destroy the forum itself.
First of all, go ahead and start defending those that chop off our heads and fly planes into buildings.. how about Palestinian terrorists, they are more popular.
As for turning on members of our party I am afraid the host here turned on members of his party...
Without having the facts, he started his post off with buying a Lie from Liberal bloggers, in defense of another Liberal blogger...
Why? I laid out the parties and being put on a panel... I would hope he would rather be defending the principle of not having conservative views censored.
and btw Shaun, If you think that Christmas derailed the macaca of Goode, it's pretty obvious you believe in Santa Claus too.
Finally, You keenly discerned my description of Braveheart and how it related to the ODBA...
Take it to heart. If you think I am the only one thinking it....
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